{"id":801,"date":"2023-04-12T16:32:44","date_gmt":"2023-04-12T14:32:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/stroteam.com\/?p=801"},"modified":"2025-04-17T22:25:47","modified_gmt":"2025-04-17T20:25:47","slug":"berthe-stroh-et-les-enfants-royaux","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stroteam.com\/index.php\/2023\/04\/12\/berthe-stroh-et-les-enfants-royaux\/","title":{"rendered":"Cold case, Berthe et les enfants Royaux"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h1 class=\"has-text-align-center\">L&#8217;Enigme Berthe Stroh?<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"has-text-align-center\">Novembre 2022 revu en 2024<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>En rangeant ses archives, Georges est tomb\u00e9 sur une note manuscrite qui devait accompagner l&#8217;arbre g\u00e9n\u00e9alogique r\u00e9alis\u00e9 par Madeleine Horst (voir la section Gen\u00e9a). Dans cette note Madeleine mentionnait que Berthe avait \u00e9t\u00e9 Gouvernante des enfants royaux au Ch\u00e2teau de Windsor sans aucune pr\u00e9cision suppl\u00e9mentaire.  Ci-dessous compilation des \u00e9changes sur le sujet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full is-style-default\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"667\" height=\"321\" src=\"https:\/\/stroteam.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/Berthe-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-804\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stroteam.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/Berthe-1.jpg 667w, https:\/\/stroteam.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/Berthe-1-480x231.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(min-width: 0px) and (max-width: 480px) 480px, (min-width: 481px) 667px, 100vw\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Zoom sur Berthe dans l&#8217;arbre<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\">-I- Berthe Stroh, gouvernante \u00e0 Windsor. On a pas la preuve !<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Ci-dessous le mail de situation .<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>Salut Denise,<br>En r\u00e9sum\u00e9:<br>-Fritz Stroh n\u00e9 en 1816, mari\u00e9e en 1851 (\u00e9pouse Bruch). Fritz son p\u00e8re \u00e9tait \u00e9tait l&#8217;un des fr\u00e8res de notre Arri\u00e8re-Arri\u00e8re-Grand-P\u00e8re Georges  &#8211;<mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\"> le IIIeme <\/mark>&#8211; (1812-1898)<br>&#8211;<strong>Berthe Stroh<\/strong> sa fille, n\u00e9e en 1868 et d\u00e9c\u00e9d\u00e9e en 1938, c&#8217;est sur internet. Aucune info sur son \u00e9tat marital.<br>-On ajoute 20 ans minimum avec l&#8217;hypoth\u00e8se qu&#8217;elle n&#8217;a pas pu \u00eatre nounou d&#8217;enfants Royaux avant 20 ans. <br>-On obtient alors une date d&#8217;entr\u00e9e en fonction au plus t\u00f4t vers 1888.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Donc je dirais qu&#8217;il faut <strong>chercher les prises de fonction de Nurse \u00e0 Windsor entre 1885 et 1925<\/strong> pour faire tr\u00e8s large.<br>Bonne recherche!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bise,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Laurent<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>Malgr\u00e9 une recherche sur Find My Past, dans les listes \u00e9parses des nurses et gouvernante au service de la couronne, pas de trace d&#8217;une Berthe X ( attention on ne connait pas son \u00e9tat marital). La recherche n&#8217;ayant rien donn\u00e9 le cas reste un <strong>Cold Case<\/strong>. Il faudrait \u00e9crire au service des archives de la couronne et trouver documents ou photos non publiques attestant son r\u00f4le, <strong>pour r\u00e9soudre l&#8217;\u00e9nigme <\/strong>!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\">-II- ChatGPT ne sait pas mais il donne un conseil logique <\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Moi<\/strong>:<mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\"> Give me the first names and last names of headnurses and nurses at the time of Britain\u2019s King George V, Queen Marywhere, for whom Charlotte Bill came to work as an undernurse in the royal nursery and receives a promotion to head nurse (nanny) after exposing the children\u2019s mistreatment especially of Johnnie?<\/mark><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>GPT<\/strong>: <mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-red-color\">I apologize, but as a language model, I do not have access to comprehensive historical records or the ability to provide specific information about individual nurses or headnurses during the reign of King George V and Queen Mary. Moreover, I am not aware of any historical information regarding a nanny named Charlotte Bill. <\/mark><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">Charlotte Jane &#8220;Lala&#8221; Bill (9 December 1875 \u2013 13 December 1964) ?<\/mark><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-red-color\">I apologize for the confusion in my previous response. Yes, Charlotte Jane &#8220;Lala&#8221; Bill was a real person who worked as a nanny for the British royal family during the reign of King George V and Queen Mary. She is known for her role in exposing the mistreatment of Prince John, the youngest son of King George V and Queen Mary, who had epilepsy and was kept hidden away from the public. However, I do not have access to the complete list of headnurses and nurses who worked at that time. Nonetheless, I hope this information helps.<\/mark><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">Ok not the complete list, but the names you have got?<\/mark><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-red-color\">I apologize, but I don&#8217;t have any specific names of the headnurses or nurses who worked with Charlotte Bill during her time as a nanny for the British royal family. The historical records do not always contain the names of every individual who worked in the royal household during that time, so it can be challenging to provide a comprehensive list. Nonetheless, Charlotte Bill&#8217;s work and contributions to the royal family have been recognized, and she is known for her dedication to the children she cared for, particularly Prince John.<\/mark><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">Where can i ask to get this list ?<\/mark><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-red-color\">You may try contacting the <strong>Royal Archives at Windsor Castle<\/strong>, as they hold a vast collection of historical records related to the British royal family. They may have more information about the headnurses and nurses who worked in the royal household during the reign of King George V and Queen Mary. 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Ci-dessous compilation des \u00e9changes sur le sujet.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"center\",\"id\":804,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\",\"className\":\"is-style-default\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full is-style-default\"><img src=\"https:\/\/stroteam.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/Berthe-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-804\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Zoom sur Berthe dans l'arbre<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<!-- \/wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"textAlign\":\"center\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\">-I- Berthe Stroh, gouvernante \u00e0 Windsor. On a pas la preuve !<\/h2>\n<!-- \/wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Ci-dessous le mail de situation en Novembre 2022.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:separator -->\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<!-- \/wp:separator -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Salut Denise,<br>En r\u00e9sum\u00e9:<br>-Fritz Stroh n\u00e9 en 1816, mari\u00e9e en 1851 (\u00e9pouse Bruch). Fritz son p\u00e8re \u00e9tait \u00e9tait l'un des fr\u00e8res de notre Arri\u00e8re-Arri\u00e8re-Grand-P\u00e8re Georges  -<mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\"> le IIIeme <\/mark>- (1812-1898)<br>-<strong>Berthe Stroh<\/strong> sa fille, n\u00e9e vers 1855-1860. Hypoth\u00e8se car nous n'avons pas sa date de naissance mais je le d\u00e9termine au doigt mouill\u00e9 en fonction de l'age des fr\u00e8res et s\u0153urs. Elle est d\u00e9c\u00e9d\u00e9e en 1938, c'est sur internet. Aucune info sur son \u00e9tat marital.<br>-On ajoute 20 ans minimum avec l'hypoth\u00e8se qu'elle n'a pas pu \u00eatre nounou d'enfants Royaux avant 20 ans. <br>-On obtient alors une date d'entr\u00e9e en fonction au plus t\u00f4t vers 1875.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Donc je dirais qu'il faut <strong>chercher la prise de fonction \u00e0 Windsor entre 1870 et 1925<\/strong> pour faire tr\u00e8s tr\u00e8s large.<br>Bonne recherche!<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Bise,<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Laurent<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:separator -->\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<!-- \/wp:separator -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>La recherche n'ayant rien donn\u00e9 le cas reste un <strong>Cold Case<\/strong>. Il faudrait \u00e9crire \u00e0 <strong>Charles III pour r\u00e9soudre l'\u00e9nigme<\/strong> et trouver documents ou photos attestant son r\u00f4le !<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"textAlign\":\"center\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\">-II- ChatGPT ne sait pas mais il donne un conseil logique <\/h2>\n<!-- \/wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Moi<\/strong>:<mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\"> Give me the first names and last names of headnurses and nurses at the time of Britain\u2019s King George V, Queen Marywhere, for whom Charlotte Bill came to work as an undernurse in the royal nursery and receives a promotion to head nurse (nanny) after exposing the children\u2019s mistreatment especially of Johnnie?<\/mark><\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>GPT<\/strong>: <mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-red-color\">I apologize, but as a language model, I do not have access to comprehensive historical records or the ability to provide specific information about individual nurses or headnurses during the reign of King George V and Queen Mary. Moreover, I am not aware of any historical information regarding a nanny named Charlotte Bill. <\/mark><\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">Charlotte Jane \"Lala\" Bill (9 December 1875 \u2013 13 December 1964) ?<\/mark><\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-red-color\">I apologize for the confusion in my previous response. Yes, Charlotte Jane \"Lala\" Bill was a real person who worked as a nanny for the British royal family during the reign of King George V and Queen Mary. She is known for her role in exposing the mistreatment of Prince John, the youngest son of King George V and Queen Mary, who had epilepsy and was kept hidden away from the public. However, I do not have access to the complete list of headnurses and nurses who worked at that time. Nonetheless, I hope this information helps.<\/mark><\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">Ok not the complete list, but the names you have got?<\/mark><\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-red-color\">I apologize, but I don't have any specific names of the headnurses or nurses who worked with Charlotte Bill during her time as a nanny for the British royal family. The historical records do not always contain the names of every individual who worked in the royal household during that time, so it can be challenging to provide a comprehensive list. 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